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was weird bc like i changed in a kinda extreme way

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and i got calm all of a sudden

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when i was feeling bad before

Like I said, it sounds plural to me, but other people have different opinions on that, and only you can decide that for yourself. It could be many, many things, in reality, and a lot of it matters less than harm-reduction.

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

jung was talking about shadow splitting and being more dominating which is happening to you

i should look more into it

Even if it's more of an alter-ego situation, you should still be reflecting with yourself as to why it exists.

none of what you are describing goes out of an experience of a singlet

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yes but i have other tulpas so im not a singlet (edited)

i should look more into it

@Adeus. - jump im not sure of i would recommend that, because you might jump from plurality to something else, you seem quite suggestible

2:48 AM

i would vsuggest seeing a professional if that part of you bothers you

I feel like, regardless of getting to the bottom of it, solving the issues it may or may bot be causing is more important than arguing over what the experience falls into.

2:48 AM

So you're right, in that regard.

2:49 AM

And if it doesn't cause any issues, then whatever you call it shouldn't matter.

yes but i have other tulpas so im not a singlet

@Adeus. - jump my point is that even if you are plural you will experience problems singlets have But if you are plural you will be biased towards explaining it in plura terms „If you are a nail everything is a hammer”

2:51 AM

it can bring more harm than good

the problem with knowing a lot about plurality is that you can become a hammer, and every problem is a nail... but really, the world is mostly not made of nails... and most problems a plural person can have are not to do with plurality

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Mhm, I realize that you make a good point here. My system tends to project plurality onto a lot of our internal experiences, and whether or not it's more effective, it's how we deal with problems. So we're personally biased in one direction over another, just how you are biased in the other direction. Neither are the "right" way of dealing with it, IMO, but I would think about it to figure out which would work best for you, your system, and how you think about these things.

as a person who has been treated for did for 3 years and who did also try the „plural” ways that people online are the way, i speak from experience that even though the plura ways give a feeling of improvement it doesn’t compare with the actual treatment

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and looking back, it caused more issues too

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without me realising

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

i would vsuggest seeing a professional if that part of you bothers you

dhe used to bother

2:56 AM

but when i accepted him

I'm biased one way, KittiKatty is biased in another. Bias exists everywhere based on experience, but you'll never truly know what works for you based on the experiences of others, you can only take them as suggestions. It's not a bad thing, to have differing opinions, or literally differeing experiences from the same advice.

he just doesnt bother anymore

2:56 AM

we still exist "separately" but he is just ok now

If he doesn't bother you, then I wouldn't bother about him

he interacts with my tulpas too

my suggestion from the start was: see a professional if that bothers you, don’t listen to randoms online

if you're not stressed out with this setup, I see no need to change anything.

if it doesn’t bother you why are you bringing it up as a problem

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because i got curious about what this guy was

2:57 AM

and its just very recently that he started to not bother anymore

If there is no harm being caused by him, then whether or not you consider him separate or not likely won't change that.

2:58 AM

and its just very recently that he started to not bother anymore

@Adeus. - jump Then that sounds like whatever it was that needed to happen has already happened, the main issue has been fixed, and you can live with this part however you and your system believe is best.

considering how inconsistent you are in you reporting it during this conversation and previous, i think you just said that to deescalate

deescalate?

3:00 AM

like downplaying a issue?

so it either bothers you and you don’t want it to look like kt anymore, or it never bothered you but you represented it as if it was bothering you

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either way nothing much i can do to help

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it’s also 3am so i need to go to sleep, night!

good night

night, sleep well.

have good dreams

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

so it either bothers you and you don’t want it to look like kt anymore, or it never bothered you but you represented it as if it was bothering you

he doesnt bother now but i got kinda lost in the labels of "tulpa" and "alter" and because he didnt fit in both

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and because i didnt knew why he existed for a long time

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(now i do)

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i started to thinking about him and what he is (edited)

3:03 AM

but i wont lie that he was a pain in the ass in the past (edited)

If it bothers you and causes impairment to functioning --> Work on the base issues behind why he exists and why there might be conflicts between you and this alter-ego. Turning to dormancy, or whatever it is is ignoring the issue and allowing it to be repressed. If it doesn't bother you, and you are content in this way --> Do whatever you'd like, defiine it however you'd like. Semantics are relatively unimportant, and you can really call the experience whatever you wish.

i only accepted him these days because he was bothering me so much, then i found out he just didnt want me to put him to dormancy

Labels are just labels at the end of the day, and should be used for personal clarification and validation, or if a professional is giving it to you in order to try and define a situation. They aren't something anyone can decide for you, especially someone who doesn't know your full situation.

and now he is okay

3:05 AM

and acts nicely

And that's good. Repressing anything, be it a problem, a headmate, or a state-of-mind doesn't work on fixing the base problem, it's a quick fix that does nothing long-term but cause more issues.

3:07 AM

So if you've stopped repressing him, and he's not causing problems anymore, then that should be a clear message that repressing this experience was backfiring from the start.

i repressed the guy because he was...bad

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turns out what probably happened is

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he knew i would repress him (it was a very specific situation) if i didnt continue with what i was doing

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then when i stopped doing what i was doing the guy snapped even more

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(and no, i wasnt doing anything to him himself)

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it was things i were doing irl

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but from what i understood the guy knew if i stopped = he wouldnt exist anymore

3:11 AM

so he tried to do bad things to me so he would not stop existing anymore

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(but actually he is the only headmate i do not need to give attention to him for him to keep existing)

So, what caused him to stop acting out? Did you ever stop the behaviors that caused him to act out?

Adeus.

he doesnt bother now but i got kinda lost in the labels of "tulpa" and "alter" and because he didnt fit in both

Isn't "headmate" fine enough? Or "alter ego" if he's that

he stopped acting out because i accepted him in my system

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and the second thing

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i stopped doing the things i used to do

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but i still keep him as a headmate

Isn't "headmate" fine enough? Or "alter ego" if he's that

@Yuka - jump I honestly have to second this. Whatever you personally consider him doesn't impact how he is as a headmate/alter-ego.

3:14 AM

The way we personally decided to label our system and headmates just came after like....being plural for a long time, seeing how different systems behave, and then deciding upon what helped us to feel most validated.

3:15 AM

It's hard to explain. It's something that should just come naturally over time, and doesn't need to be decided immediately, or at all for that matter.

3:16 AM

What also matters is that next time, if and when he starts to do bad things in response to an action you take, that you communicate and identify the problem(s) rather than shoving them under the rug, or forcing headmates dormant.

3:18 AM

It's kind of an underwhelming answer, but other people can't define an experience for you, at least, not people on Discord. It's a "fuck around and find out" process. (I kid, partially)

Atlas || M&M

What also matters is that next time, if and when he starts to do bad things in response to an action you take, that you communicate and identify the problem(s) rather than shoving them under the rug, or forcing headmates dormant.

thank you

3:20 AM

what matters is that he is with us now

Adeus.

and now he is okay

That's good

Working towards "okayness" is the primary step towards better understanding anything.

3:23 AM

At least, that's what I think.

yeah okayness is good

Atlas n co, are you guys still working on the parallel processing stuff?

@Yuka - jump Oh, yes, we are, slowly, though.

3:30 AM

Why?

Just curious bc I'm interested in the subject

3:30 AM

Have you figured out any particular exercise for it?

We're mainly following this guide we've got, I can share it here, if you'd like.

3:31 AM

Like I said, we've been working so slowly for a variety of reasons, we haven't been able to get any definitive results.

Tewi: "No definitive results" on parallel processing is the overall community consensus. (edited)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Htb-QkrSu8_vBfLnfF_e_bngU0xZTqmDtM-KOtHmiZY/edit <-- Here's the guide we've decided to reference for now.

Abvieon's Guide to Parallel Processing

Abvieon’s Guide to Parallel Processing The following is an excerpt from a tulpa creation guide I am currently writing. I have taken my section on parallel processing in that guide and put it into a separate document so I can send this to those who are looking for advice specifically on parallel p...

I have a couple anecdotes from other systems if you're interested I can send it

What we've also been doing is trying to focus on wonderland activities at the same time as doing something simple externally, like walking from classes to our car (a route we're familliar with) That's helped us better juggle two separate actions, although not as fluidly as parallel-processing would likely be.

3:33 AM

And go for it, that would be appreciated.

3:34 AM

If anything, we're getting better at Advanced Multitasking™️ which....I'm not unhappy about it, it's just not what we'd ideally be working for.

3:35 AM

Then again, since the consensus around parallel-processing is so split, I'm willing to keep trying it out and see what comes of it.

Tewi: My host wrote a post about a couple types of experiences/skills that may accomplish a similar effect as true parallel processing, that are each clearly possible with no doubts at all like for truly "split your brainpower" parallel processing. He also gave a sort of call to action for people to try developing and combining these (we don't have much interest and are busy doing other brain-work..), which no one really took up. (edited)

3:37 AM

https://community.tulpa.info/topic/15627-parallel-processing-experiences-practice-megathread/?do=findComment&comment=307069

Parallel Processing (Experiences & Practice) Megathread

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The first paragraph is unrelated, though.

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It was a reply to a previous post.

I'll also check it out, but be warned, we've been busy and are also working on different brain things, like lucid dreaming and wonderland mapping.